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PostSubject: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Wed May 12, 2010 2:00 pm

An interesting blog I found at dogstardaily today: http://dogstardaily.com/blogs/does-electric-fencing-condition-aggressionfear

The blogger talks about an increasing trend she notes when mixing e-fences with dogs. Many strange behaviors ranging from fear to aggression appear in dogs that were previously thought to be 'friendly'.

She says that the negative association could probably have an affect but that there is most likely other factors....in the comments it also suggests that the mailman effect could be making this cases worse...

Thought to share with you guys to see what your opinions are.

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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Wed May 12, 2010 10:39 pm

I have two friends with thrm and Ive seen fear toward the borders of the e-fence, but no aggression yet.

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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Wed May 12, 2010 11:02 pm

just my opinion

i have not read anything to uphold what i am about to say...but...
if human neurological systems can be altered with electrotherapy treatment involving mild shocks who is to say that the same or similar alterations to the canine neurological systems isnt going to happen in the dogs that run into these fences or even those who are subjected to the shock collars?
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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Wed May 12, 2010 11:23 pm

lucysnewmum wrote:
just my opinion

i have not read anything to uphold what i am about to say...but...
if human neurological systems can be altered with electrotherapy treatment involving mild shocks who is to say that the same or similar alterations to the canine neurological systems isnt going to happen in the dogs that run into these fences or even those who are subjected to the shock collars?
I thinks this is VERY possible!!!

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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Thu May 13, 2010 7:05 pm

i definitely think that that is possible. I wouldn't get one of those.
good topic to bring up. I think that using shock on animals isn't good, especially if we know about behavioral changes in humans frmo it.
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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Mon May 17, 2010 5:50 pm

That definitely seems like a valid hypothesis Gilly! I haven't read much on the subject so I can't say for sure if its a factor.

Was listening to the radio Saturday, said that some celebrity got bit a couple times by a pitbull after it cross over its electric boundry. Of course the person on the radio put extra emphasis on "Pitbull", but the electric enclosure that she mention was what really caught my attention....

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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Mon May 17, 2010 6:17 pm

http://www.puppyplease.com/shockcollars.html

interesting link to a post on this subject! i thought i could think outside of the box but this girl has just about covered everything!
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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Tue May 18, 2010 3:51 pm

lucysnewmum wrote:
http://www.puppyplease.com/shockcollars.html

interesting link to a post on this subject! i thought i could think outside of the box but this girl has just about covered everything!

Loved the article! Definitely good points to keep in mind.

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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Tue May 18, 2010 5:01 pm

the other thing that no one has mentioned so far is.....

if the dog gets a shock on its way OUT of the fence....what makes you think it will be willing to come BACK THROUGH the fence into its own space????? am damn sure i wouldnt having had a nasty experience!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Tue May 18, 2010 5:36 pm

lucysnewmum wrote:

if the dog gets a shock on its way OUT of the fence....what makes you think it will be willing to come BACK THROUGH the fence into its own space????? am damn sure i wouldnt having had a nasty experience!!!!

I thought that the collar kept shocking as long as the dog was outside the enclosure. Otherwise, as you said, it wouldn't be very effective once the dog got out.

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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Tue May 18, 2010 5:52 pm

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lucysnewmum wrote:

if the dog gets a shock on its way OUT of the fence....what makes you think it will be willing to come BACK THROUGH the fence into its own space????? am damn sure i wouldnt having had a nasty experience!!!!

I thought that the collar kept shocking as long as the dog was outside the enclosure. Otherwise, as you said, it wouldn't be very effective once the dog got out.
My experence with them is that the shock only happens when the dog is within a given distance to the fencing. If they get past the fence, the shock stops until they get colse again.

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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Wed May 19, 2010 3:32 pm

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My experence with them is that the shock only happens when the dog is within a given distance to the fencing. If they get past the fence, the shock stops until they get colse again.

Your experience? Mike, have you put one on yourself??!! Nervous ROFL

Joking aside, it doesn't seem smart to do that, because once they got far enough away the could just stay out.... man these things are worse than I thought!

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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Wed May 19, 2010 3:58 pm

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My experence with them is that the shock only happens when the dog is within a given distance to the fencing. If they get past the fence, the shock stops until they get colse again.

Your experience? Mike, have you put one on yourself??!! Nervous ROFL
yes ... they tickle ROFL l/k

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Joking aside, it doesn't seem smart to do that, because once they got far enough away the could just stay out.... man these things are worse than I thought!
One of my friends had one. His dog would actually lay down in the "lowest" range of the collar until the battery went dead in it, then he'd go visiting!!! (dogs arent stupid). cheers

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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Wed May 19, 2010 4:43 pm

i still think there are kinder ways to teach a dog not to do something! i fail to see the need to cause any animal pain or distress when trainiing them....end of!
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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Wed May 19, 2010 6:26 pm

What about people who live in subdivisions where there are covenants stating no fences?
Personally, I'd never move into one, but they do exist, and there are people living within them that want to own dogs. If it came down to the dog being at risk of being hit by a car or using an electronic fence, what would be the answer then? There are all sorts of circumstances that would make that type of fence the lesser of two evils/
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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Wed May 19, 2010 7:23 pm

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What about people who live in subdivisions where there are covenants stating no fences?
Personally, I'd never move into one, but they do exist, and there are people living within them that want to own dogs. If it came down to the dog being at risk of being hit by a car or using an electronic fence, what would be the answer then? There are all sorts of circumstances that would make that type of fence the lesser of two evils/
I have several customers that live in a housing development like you are talking about.

They are limited to dogs under 30 pounds and they are required to be on leash and attended by an adult whenever they are outside the home. Even if they are in a gated deck or 3 seasons porch.

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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Thu May 20, 2010 4:10 pm

Ann wrote:
What about people who live in subdivisions where there are covenants stating no fences?
Personally, I'd never move into one, but they do exist, and there are people living within them that want to own dogs. If it came down to the dog being at risk of being hit by a car or using an electronic fence, what would be the answer then? There are all sorts of circumstances that would make that type of fence the lesser of two evils/

Yeah I agree...I guess it depends on the circumstance. I think we all concur, however, that using e fences as an easy way out is definitely not the way to go. And even when in dire need of one, proper training could eventually dissipate the need for having an e fence. In either case, having a dog with high prey drive or that is really reactive would render the e fence useless...

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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Thu May 20, 2010 5:33 pm

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[Your experience? Mike, have you put one on yourself??!! Nervous ROFL

Steven,
They saw me and made a commerical about it. ROFL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZykNFSs8UQ

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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Fri May 21, 2010 4:06 pm

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[Your experience? Mike, have you put one on yourself??!! Nervous ROFL

Steven,
They saw me and made a commerical about it. ROFL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZykNFSs8UQ

Hahaha, thats too funny ROFL

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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Fri May 21, 2010 11:50 pm

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Hahaha, thats too funny ROFL
I thought youd enjoy that!!! Cool cheers lol!

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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Wed May 26, 2010 11:43 pm

How strong is the shock?
With the bark collars many dogs develop a tolerance to the collars and ignore them. I wonder if it is the same with the fence? I the object of the desire.. is great enough will they just ignore it?
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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Thu May 27, 2010 12:53 am

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How strong is the shock?
With the bark collars many dogs develop a tolerance to the collars and ignore them. I wonder if it is the same with the fence? I the object of the desire.. is great enough will they just ignore it?
Spot On!!! Dog's can tollarate a lot!!!

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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Thu May 27, 2010 2:18 pm

ozzy29 wrote:
How strong is the shock?
With the bark collars many dogs develop a tolerance to the collars and ignore them. I wonder if it is the same with the fence? I the object of the desire.. is great enough will they just ignore it?

Yeah, thats pretty much what we were getting at.

A. If the thing they want to get at, is a strong enough motivator, the shock will feel insignificant.

B. If the object they want isn't enough to get them through the fence then they simply get shock, get frustrated, and may eventually start showing signs of aggression.

In either case its not very good...

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PostSubject: Re: E-Fences Causes Aggression?   Thu May 27, 2010 2:43 pm

Most of the collars that I have read about suggest that the shock is not more than what you would get walking over a carpet.
Don't get me wrong I do not like shock collars but that does seem much like a deterrent especially in a large dog.
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