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PostSubject: Flat collars and P+?   Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:42 pm

I was having an interesting discussion on another forum about flat collars and positive punishment (adding an adverse stimulus to the dog). Some of you might know that Junior has a slight problem with pulling, and I said on that forum that I didn't want to use P+ methods just yet (such as prong or choke collar etc), yet someone mentioned that a simple flat collar can be considered a positive punishment because it holds the dog back and may cause discomfort.

Do you guys think this is true? A flat collar isn't meant to be aversive but is it anyways?

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PostSubject: Re: Flat collars and P+?   Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:49 pm

hmmm...not too sure..that's some food for thought!
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PostSubject: Re: Flat collars and P+?   Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:16 pm

I've seen people do horrible things to their dogs with flat buckle collars. Anything that goes around their neck
can be used like a weapon in my opinion. But a flat collar with a leash attached can also be the most effective and subtle means of containing a dog while in public once the dog is trained not to pull.
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PostSubject: Re: Flat collars and P+?   Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:23 pm

Ann wrote:
I've seen people do horrible things to their dogs with flat buckle collars. Anything that goes around their neck
can be used like a weapon in my opinion. But a flat collar with a leash attached can also be the most effective and subtle means of containing a dog while in public once the dog is trained not to pull.

I agree with you there, about anything having the ability to be used as something to cause discomfort, but if one isn't using a flat collar with that object, would they still be inadvertenly using P+ methods?

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PostSubject: Re: Flat collars and P+?   Sat Jan 23, 2010 7:52 pm

As with ANY tool, if it is used correctly it can be something that your dog loves. But ANY tool can also be missused.

It is up to us to make sure less experenced owners KNOW how to use tools properly!!!

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