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PostSubject: Re: Shock Collar?   Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:11 pm

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The vibrating collar is only ment to break thier attention and give you a chance to give a command at that split second ... Much like an "AH-AH"

Its supposed to distract Seriously? How hard does it vibrate, the theory behind the distraction methods such as "Ah Ah" is that the attention is redirected towards you... I guess it could work much like trainer disks if you have a control for it... Thing is that it wont work with really fluffy breeds like the Collies.lol. Citronella Collars might be a better suit, no?

It is JUST like a shock collar (it still has the two prongs sticking out) it just uses vibration instead of shock. They vibrate pretty hard, but they are adjustable.

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PostSubject: Re: Shock Collar?   Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:24 pm

Heh, those are new to me! I'd have to check them out, although i don't think I've seen any here in pet store Suspect

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PostSubject: Re: Shock Collar?   Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:32 pm

Look at this:
http://www.gundogsupply.com/vibration-collars--vibrating-collar-guide.html

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PostSubject: Re: Shock Collar?   Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:39 pm

I see now, looks like a tools specifically for deaf dogs.

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PostSubject: Re: Shock Collar?   Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:45 pm

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I see now, looks like a tools specifically for deaf dogs.

Yes, it was originally designed to train hunting dogs and help hearing impaired dogs.

Recently, trainers have started to use it b/c of all the bad publicity that shock collars have been getting.

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PostSubject: Re: Shock Collar?   Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:11 pm

Well its definitely a step up! At least it isn't as aversive as the shock collar is.

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PostSubject: Re: Shock Collar?   Wed Aug 25, 2010 5:07 pm

Betterdog4u wrote:
The ONLY time I can see it as the proper tool is when you take on the responsiblity of working with an aggressive or visious dog with the goal of rehabilitating it.
A shock collar can help to break fixation or an agressive reaction to training, but it should ONLY be used as a short term solution.


hey, BD! :--)

i would specifically * never * recommend or use any form of shock - anti-bark, boundary/fence, wireless-zone, NONE - with any dog with a history of aggro.
even if it was not an actual bite, just air-snaps, tooth-touches with no mark, etc; nothing that even left a scratch, let alone a bruise. [and i have worked with dogs
who have bite histories, predatory killings, dog-dog attacks, etc.]
ASSOCIATING shock with X-stimulus - dog, human, setting, whatever - is a Pavlovian conditioning, which is more powerful than any Operant Conditioning,
and will over-ride it entirely in moments of stress; ergo, the dog will be More-Aggro, not less [due to the assoc of shock/pain/startle].

rehab is about reducing stress - no shock-collar reduces stress, it is definitely contra-indicated.

i do not even suggest them for so-called SNAKE PROOFING, as dogs who went thru this highly-aversive 'training' AKA shock-session have still been bitten,
and many have had post-trauma behaviors: fleeing in a blind panic from the mere whiff of snake-scent, which can send them into traffic, ONTO another
or even the same snake, get them lost in wild country, etc.

shock IMO sucks; Suspect there is always a better option.
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